Saturday, July 28, 2012

Lucia Colin Craig is being set upon by the liberals [UPDATE]

But I don't think it's because of what he is saying as such, it's because of the side he's on. Take the following, which David Farrar has leapt all over:

Mr Craig told 3 News that people choose to be gay rather than being born that way, many as a result of being abused as children.

Many years ago, I had a gay friend who confessed to me one night that he was planning to have one last night with his friends before killing himself. That was the beginning of a one very long night where I found out more about his life that I would have ever guessed, where he also told me he had been sexually abused by both male and female relatives during his life. I don't really know much more as my focus was more on helping him with his will to live at the time, rather than anything else.

Also, my co-blogger Fletch, posted a New Zealand study found that those that identified as gay or lesbian were three times more likely to have been abused as children. (link to press release)

Updated to add: Of course, this does not mean that every person who has experienced same-sex attraction was abused as a child!

However, I have some sympathy with where David Farrar is coming from with regards to this issue. A person cannot choose who they are attracted to, which is what David is getting all heated up about. But, I want to add, a person can choose what they do with that attraction. Sometimes an attraction is just a temptation to be overcome and is best treated as such. If it's acted upon, then it opens the door to attractions of a similar nature. Which is really where Colin Craig is coming from.

So, why have Colin Craig's comments raised such a reaction? Monsignor Charles Pope says it best:

Welcome to tolerance as defined by secular radicals. In their lexicon “tolerance” is “your right to agree with me.” Live and let live” means, “you have the right to live only where I say.” “Bigotry” applies only to the classes they say are oppressed. “Phobia” (as in Homophobia) applies only to those who oppose their  agenda. “Hate” only exists against the classes they I say who are “protected” and have defined as oppressed. It is never possible for religious or social conservatives to be the object of hate since hate only comes from social conservatives.
My advice to Colin Craig, if he reads this blog, is don't back-pedal.  If you're going to say controversial things, say them and make no apologies.  The liberals are going to tear you apart anyway, so it may as well be for what you really believe rather than just a softened version.  You'll get far more respect that way.

Related links: Colin Craig – being gay is a choice due to child abuse ~ KiwiBlog
Colin Craig: 'Gay parents not good role models' ~ 3News
What do Social Radicals really mean by Tolerance? ~ Monsignor Charles Pope

16 comment(s):

leftrightout said...

This is so god damned hilarious!

An Archbishop, no less, preaching about tolerance. Good luck with that one. We all see what happens whenever the church gets to make the rules, and there is no tolerance there.

Perhaps the archbish could encourage hos co-religionists to show tolerance to Sanal Edamaruku.

leftrightout said...

yes, a study that showed correlation, not causation.

I wonder if Fletch even read as far as She said there was no way of knowing from her study why there was a link between negative events in childhood and same-sex sexual orientation.

Did you?

Fletch also posted numerous lies from other, less reputable sources, and was called on it. Seems he left the debate after that.

My advice to Colin Craig is "Get on with your life, let the rest of us get on with ours. Believe in whatever god makes you happy and leave the rest of us to reject your choice."

Adolf Fiinkensein said...
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Adolf Fiinkensein said...

To intemperate wankers like leftrightout..

You'll get your chance come the next election.

Meanwhile, I'd give them all a good kick up the arse with a hobnailed boot and daily shots of testosterone.

They'd be fixed within a week.

Lucia Maria said...

LRO,

A Monseigneur is not necessarily an Archbishop, though they can be as well.

I have read the results of that study before - it's fairly recent. So, the researcher doesn't know why there is a link. Ok, so human beings are complex, and not everything is clear. However, 3x likelihood indicates that something is definitely up.

What I would like, is a real link to the source of that study. What Fletch posted after that doesn't matter, that particular study stands by itself.

Adolf,

From my reading, they need male affirmation (and quite a lot of it) as well.

dad4justice said...

Well done Colin Craig. The Conservative Party will get my vote next election.

leftrightout said...

Adolf Fiinkensein said...
To intemperate wankers like leftrightout..

You'll get your chance come the next election.


what's that warning about "personal attacks"?

Anyway, it won't last as long as the electoral cycle. First, the whole thing will be off the agenda by year's end and second, prions to the election we will see the photos of Craig, just like his American counterparts.

leftrightout said...

So, the researcher doesn't know why there is a link. Ok, so human beings are complex, and not everything is clear.

Which is exactly what we rationalists have been trying to tell you for years;glad you finally get it. Now, can you let go and let other people live their own lives?

Lucia Maria said...

Sorry, LRO,

Where am I not letting you live your life?

You visit my blog, rather than other way around.

ZenTiger said...

"Now, can you let go and let other people live their own lives?"

A plaintive plea to be left alone? But I'm not bothering you LRO. You are coming here to this blog.

Or do you mean it's unfair for other people to debate the laws that might place a restriction on you. A restriction to drive drunk, or a restriction not to murder, or a restriction not to have loud parties at 3am when the neighbours are asleep?

Thus, "Welcome to tolerance as defined by secular radicals. In their lexicon “tolerance” is “your right to agree with me.” Live and let live” means, “you have the right to live only where I say.” “Bigotry” applies only to the classes they say are oppressed. “Phobia” (as in Homophobia) applies only to those who oppose their agenda. “Hate” only exists against the classes they I say who are “protected” and have defined as oppressed. It is never possible for religious or social conservatives to be the object of hate since hate only comes from social conservatives."

scrubone said...

It's one of those issues where you have to be very careful about what you say, because it's very easy to get misinterpreted.

I thought an insight from R. C. Sproul was interesting, where he talked about those (male) homosexuals he had counselled all having an experience in their past that made them question their manhood.

dad4justice said...
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Prioripete said...

I agree with Colin. Individuals have been documented to have changed their minds and in turn their sex orientation choices by becoming men once again. This was publicly broadcast on TV following the story of two individuals who lived as homosexuals and later in life changed their minds to become men once again.
It's a false belief that is subjective.

Lucia Maria said...

Hi Prioripete,

It's not actually a matter of changing one's mind, there's a whole lot more involved with dealing with same-sex attractions. Have a read of this post. It also links to a website with a number of stories of men who have changed, but that change required a whole lot of hard work.

Tanya H said...

I am with Colin on this. The electorate should decide the issue, not a handful of Beehivers.

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